Article 62418 of alt.solar.photovoltaic: Path: news.misty.com!not-for-mail From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu Newsgroups: alt.solar.photovoltaic,alt.solar.thermal,alt.architecture.alternative Subject: Re: Solar at the community level Date: 24 Jul 2008 10:38:31 -0400 Organization: Villanova University Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <2008072311240516807-not@dotcom> <48879dfc$0$89396$815e3792@news.qwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: acadia.ece.villanova.edu X-Trace: max.inside.misty.com 1216906586 25150 153.104.44.130 (24 Jul 2008 13:36:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@misty.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:36:26 +0000 (UTC) Xref: news.misty.com alt.solar.photovoltaic:62418 alt.solar.thermal:30884 alt.architecture.alternative:32462 Morris Dovey wrote: >thepixelfreak wrote: > >> How can we change (via incentives) the Housing industry and Solar >> industry such that solar panels could be installed at the time a house >> is built and included in the initial cost of the home thereby benefiting >> through economies of scale. > >Send all professors teaching architecture courses to live in unheated >barracks in North Dakota for a full year starting on the first of March... I've heard some architecture schools require students to build themselves small shelters and live in them. The Jersey Devil Design/Build Princeton architects arrive at a site, build themselves shelters, then build the client a house with their own hands, then move on. >...and divide up the incomes of the non-survivors to increase the >salaries of the successful survivors. Architects should be paid more and do more serious solar heating. The arithmetic is no more complex than simple beam calculations. >Could also require that architectural, construction, and HVAC >contracting firms and their executives, managers, and foremen be >required to reimburse homebuyers for 2/3 of the heating and >air-conditioning costs for all new construction. PE Norman Saunders estimates the need to "purchase heat" in his solar houses using Gaussian statistics, in the same way that other engineers predict 100 year floods. In one case, he told his clients they might have to purchase heat once every 35 years. With that kind of serious engineering, it's not unreasonable for a designer to guarantee to pay 100% of a client's fuel bills for 20 years, or maybe collect 20% of the conventional minus the actual fuel bills for 20 years, or get it all up front, with some sort of performance bond. Nick