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From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu
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Subject: Re: Preheating water by running pipes through attic?
Date: 9 Aug 2008 16:16:01 -0400
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hallerb@aol.com <hallerb@aol.com> wrote:

>"Percival P. Cassidy" <nob...@notmyISP.net> wrote:

>> My brother-in-law and his wife are planning to retire and build a custom
>> home with as many energy-saving and eco-friendly features as possible.
>> Since they're likely to be stuck with HOA rules about exterior
>> appearance, solar panels on the roof are probably out, but they were
>> wondering about simply running water pipes through the roof space.

I'd put a $35 used car radiator with its 12 V fans under the ridge and
make the south roof transparent. It seems to me there's a federal law
that prohibits HOAs from outlawing this form of renewable energy.

>> Does this have possibilities?

You might get 5 Btu/h-F per $2 foot of fin-tube, vs 1000 for a car radiator,
which might also circulate some warm attic air through the house on a winter
day, with a couple of motorized dampers.

>A newer home should have a well ventilated attic, building codes call
>for attic no more than 15 degrees warmer than outside air temp.

Which code? Section R806.2 (Roof Ventilation--minimum area) of the 2006
International Residential Code (used in PA, NJ, and lots of other states)
says an attic can have 1/300 of its floor area as ventilation if upper
vents have 80% of that and vents at least 3' below them have 20%. So my
24'x32' attic might have a total vent area of 24x32/300 = 2.56 ft^2 with
0.512 ft^2 of low vents. 

In full sun on a still day the roof might absorb about 24x32x250 = 19.2K
Btu/h of sun and lose heat to outdoor air with a 24x32xU.5 = 384 Btu/h-F
thermal conductance, with an equivalent circuit like this, viewed in
a fixed font:
               T      
        1/384  |    ---
   ------www-------|-->|---|
  |                 ---
  | 125 F            I
 ---
  -
  |
  |
  -

One empirical chimney formula says I = 16.6Asqrt(H)T^1.5. A = 0.512 ft^2
and H = 3' make I = 14.72T^1.5, which makes T = 0.0383(3261-T^1.5).
T = 91 F on the right makes T = 91.7 on the left. Repeating makes
T = 91.3, so the air in an IRC-code attic could be 91 degrees
warmer than outdoor air.

Nick




