Article 31291 of alt.solar.thermal: Path: news.misty.com!not-for-mail From: nick@acadia.ece.villanova.edu (Nick Pine) Newsgroups: alt.solar.thermal Subject: Seeing Through the Thermal Darkness Date: 16 Sep 2008 12:44:28 -0400 Organization: Villanova University Lines: 101 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: acadia.ece.villanova.edu X-Trace: max.inside.misty.com 1221583470 27000 153.104.44.130 (16 Sep 2008 16:44:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@misty.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:44:30 +0000 (UTC) Xref: news.misty.com alt.solar.thermal:31291 Laren wrote: >>... When the sensor in the box reads warmer than the room sensor, >>you know that the window is giving you positive Solar gain. You >>can then calculate the amount of Solar gain, based on the difference >>between the two temperatures, as if the window glass area were >>simply a wall surface, heated to the temperature of its sensor >>readout. >So, if the room sensor says 70 F and the sensor in the small box says >80 F... .... the slow-moving indoor airfilm resistance is R2/3, and the solar gain is (80-70)1ft^2/(R2/3) = 15 Btu/h-ft^2? That could happen with an outdoor temp of 30 F and net solar insolation I = 150 Btu/h-ft^2 and a single-pane window with R2/3 and R1/3 indoor and outdoor air films, like this, viewed in a fixed font like courier: R1/3 (=1-2/3) Tb = 80 = 30+I/3 --------www---- 30 F | | --- ---|<--|---| --- I = 3(80-30) = 150 Btu/h-ft^2 The rest of the window would look like this: R1 Ti = 70 F -------www---- 30 F | | --- ---|<--|---| --- I = 150 Btu/h-ft^2 with a net solar gain of 150-((70-30)1ft^2/R1 = 110 vs 15 Btu/h-ft^2, ie 7.3X more solar gain. Alternatively, using your calc below vs your words above, the net gain would be (80-70F)1ft^2/R1 = 10BTU/hr-ft^2... That's an enormous (11X) difference. What gives? >>BUT, only if the glazing had an insulation value of R1. Hmmm. >>By including the insulation value of the glazing, the net heat gain >>can be easily calculated. For instance... if a window is assumed to be >>generic R2 double glazing... then we have a net heat gain of: >> >> (80-70F)3'x4'/R2 = 60BTU/hr, [ie 60/(3'x4') = 5 Btu/h-ft^2, not much] An R2 window with an R2/3 slow-moving indoor airfilm and an 80 F box temp on a 30 F day would transmit 38 Btu/h-F of sun: R1.33 Tb = 80 = 30+1.33I --------www---- 30 F | | --- ---|<--|---| --- I = (80-30)/1.33 = 38 Btu/h-ft^2 with a net solar gain of 38-((70-30)1ft^2/R2 = 18 Btu/h-ft^2 R2 Ti = 70 F -------www---- 30 F | | --- ---|<--|---| --- I = 38 Btu/h-ft^2 vs the 5 you would predict? And with 150 vs 38 Btu/h-F of net sun, R1.33 Tb = 80 = T+1.33I --------www---- T = 80-1.33xI = -120 F :-) | | --- ---|<--|---| --- I = 150 Btu/h-ft^2, with a net solar gain of 150-((70-(-120))/R2 = 55 Btu/h-ft^2 R2 Ti = 70 F -------www---- -120 F | | --- ---|<--|---| --- I = 150 Btu/h-ft^2 vs the 5 you would predict, leaving a large thermal darkness... Nick